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EP 86 Creating a Virtual Haven for Sobriety with Sober Summit’s Maggie Klaassens

• Deb, Mocktail Mom • Season 1 • Episode 86

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Today I have Maggie Klaassens as my guest, the founder of the Sober Summit and a certified alcohol-free coach. In this fun chat, Maggie shares her personal journey to an alcohol-free lifestyle, navigating mommy wine culture, and her inspiring path to becoming a sober coach. We also dive into how she’s empowering others through the Sober Summit, a virtual event bringing together the top voices in the sober community. 

So tune in for insightful tips, real-talk about sobriety, and how Maggie’s 100-day challenge turned into a life-changing two-and-a-half years of clarity, fun, and purpose! Also, check out the links below for more info on the Sober Summit, and join us for some fun mocktail magic!

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Deb:

Buckle up, friends, and welcome to the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast. I'm your host, deb, otherwise known as Mocktail Mom, a retired wine drinker that finally got sick and tired of spinning on life's broken record called Detox to Retox. Let this podcast be an encouragement to you. If alcohol is maybe a form of self-care for you, where you find yourself dragging through the day waiting to pour another glass, I am excited to share with you the fun of discovering new things to drink when you aren't drinking and the joy of waking up each day without a hangover. It is an honor to serve as your sober, fun guide. So sit back and relax or keep doing whatever it is you're doing. This show is produced for you with love from the great state of Kentucky. Thanks so much for being here and big time cheers. Okay, hey friends, it's Deb. Welcome back to Thriving Alcohol-Free. I am so happy you're here, so excited today. My guest that we have in the house, maggie, I didn't even ask you how to pronounce your last name.

Maggie:

So I married into it. It's Klaassens and I went from Pierce to Klaassens and people constantly are like is it two A's, two S's? Yes, I do spell my last name correctly, but yes, it's hilarious.

Deb:

Okay, Klaassens like Klaassens, Maggie Klaassens it's so easy, right, and mine is Podloger, which is so easy, like when you go. Okay, when you look at it, you go, how does that Podloger? You don't know, but I go, oh, it's like a beer, and then it just makes sense. So, okay, two A's, two S's and two G's in the Maggie Very nice, a lot of double letters. Okay, you guys, Maggie is from. She's the founder of the Sober Summit, a virtual event that brings together the top authors, podcasters, experts and influencers in the sober community. She's passionate about the sober movement. She dedicates herself to providing resources that highlight the benefits of an alcohol-free lifestyle. Yay for that. Maggie is a certified alcohol-free coach and supports individuals through one-on-one coaching, helping them change their relationship with alcohol and discover a life filled with greater meaning and purpose beyond sobriety.

Deb:

I am really excited to talk to you today and I will just tell the whole audience. Well, first of all, there is a link there's an affiliate link in the show notes for anybody that wants to sign up for the Sober Summit. I hope all of my listeners will sign up. Use the link, because I actually recorded with Maggie last Friday. We recorded, we made a mocktail together. I'm one of the speakers. I guess you should say right, am I a speaker or a mocktail?

Maggie:

maker.

Deb:

I'm a speaker, so it was so fun. I felt like I had like the most fun, like a girl's coffee date or whatever, like we made a mocktail together. I got to share my story, but I'm super excited for Sober Summit 2024. So this will be in September. The event is going on in September, so everybody, make sure you sign up. But, maggie, I want to have you share your story today how you came into an alcohol-free lifestyle, then talk about your sober coaching, and then I'd love to have you share. Want to talk about the Sober Summit. Get into it a little bit.

Maggie:

Sound good. So excited. Yes, I'm so excited. Thank you so much for having me here. I mean, it's so funny. I'm usually on the other end, so it's weird for me to like be interviewed. But thank you for the opportunity. We had so much fun on Friday and I just, I can't wait to, you know, continue to do things like this with you, because this is the fun part of sobriety. Right, I sit back and I go. This is why I'm sober, because I have so much fun. This is it.

Maggie:

So my sober journey hopefully resonates with a lot of people, because I really fell hard into that mommy wine culture and you know I want to blame the pandemic for a lot of it. But if I really am honest with myself and I take a step back, you know the pandemic was an excuse to, you know, drink more, but I was pretty much drinking the same before the pandemic. It was just an excuse to maybe drink a little bit more and maybe a little sooner than I would in the day. But if I'm honest with myself, I was that way before him. And it's funny when people ask your story you don't really know where to start.

Maggie:

But I will say I graduated from college having the true college experience of going to frat parties and drinking all the time and just really feeling like crap all the time. And I graduated in hospitality business management. So I went on to work in hotels and restaurants and that is a very big drinking culture as well, and I always used to say I wish I had gone back to study wine because I loved wine so much. And in my eyes, in my 20s I stopped drinking beer and I stopped drinking liquor. I was only drinking wine and that made me truly sophisticated and right. I just was like I am so above everyone else. I'm not drinking beer anymore. I'm not like doing shots at the bar, I'm drinking this wine. And I remember my husband just being so embarrassed if we went to like a pub and I'm like, can I have your wine list? He was like Maggie, it's a pub, like they don't have a wine list. They red or white, right, like they don't have.

Deb:

They have it in a box in the back. Which one do you want?

Maggie:

Yes, exactly, but I used to be so snobby about my wine. But in my eyes this was like very much who I was. My senior year in high school just to take a step back my parents moved me from Michigan to Washington State, me and my sister.

Maggie:

My dad had gotten a new job and we went from a college town in Michigan at MSU go Spartans to this really small town in Washington state that didn't even have a stop sign it was so small and my parents bought this gorgeous sort of farmhouse that had this vineyard in front of it and my dad started making wine and we were in wine country in Washington state so I got to learn a lot about wine. And we were in wine country in Washington state, so I got to learn a lot about wine and I took a wine class in college and that's why, you know, after I graduated I'm going. I really wish I'd gone into the wine industry and now I look back on it and say thank God I didn't, because I didn't need another excuse to drink more wine. I didn't need it as my day job either. Totally your business, yeah, yeah.

Maggie:

But then, you know, down the road I again I felt very sophisticated because I was a wine drinker and I had three young kids all at the same time. I had three kids in diapers at one time. So we went boom, boom, boom with our kiddos and you know, life was chaotic and I fell very much into that mommy wine culture, that that sense that I deserve wine. At the end of the day, that wine is going to help me become a better parent that I need it. I mean so much so, Deb, that I haven't told this part of my story. But my side hustle when, when I was a, you know, young mom was in the craft industry. So I used to be a craft blogger and I used to design craft files for crafters. I probably bought one from you.

Deb:

Oh, maybe that's amazing.

Maggie:

Yeah, I had this little craft room in my basement. I had the Cricut machine and the heat press and did all the things. But I remember designing a whole line of designs around wine and drinking and so not only did I buy those products but I also fed into it and sold those products right. So all the tchotchkes, all the towels that had the wine, the specific wine glasses that had mommy wine juice on it, the the Rose all day t-shirt, like I was sporting, I was promoting, I was a walking billboard for the mommy wine culture.

Deb:

I was buying everything you were selling.

Maggie:

Yes, yeah, Looking back on it, I had this one. You know I fell into the head t-shirts made that said bar. I thought you meant bar, you know, like you know bar like the Pilates, or bar, yeah, Okay, yeah and um run, I thought you meant bar, you know, like, you know, bar, like the Pilates, or bar, yeah, okay, yeah, and run. I thought you said rum, you know I fell into all those. So I really, you know, played all that up and now I'm, you know, just so.

Deb:

Yeah, we're walking a different direction now. I totally know. But I do understand that feeling of like, oh my gosh. Like a friend I remember during actually in the beginning her husband didn't have COVID, but it was during pandemic and he was very sick, but it wasn't COVID. Anyway, I brought her pizza and a bottle of wine twice because it was like this is going to make everything better. Let me bring you wine. You know right.

Maggie:

Yeah, exactly, I mean, wine's the go-to gift for everybody. Right, it was Yep, it was Yep. Companies do that too. I mean, they still send everybody bottles of wine at Christmas time. You know, it's really. We need to kind of figure that part out a little differently. It's changing. But I just started noticing that, you know, I wasn't feeling great. I felt very stuck in life and I attributed that to having three young kids and I was like, oh, have kids, they say, it'll be fun, they say, and I thought, gosh, this is really hard. We had no family around to help us and I was working full time and so it was just very, very hard. And then the pandemic hit and now I'm stuck at home being a stay-at-home mom and honestly, that's the hardest job ever is being a stay-at-home mom. You know there's always that battle between working moms and stay-at-home moms. I'm sorry. Working moms get to have a cup of coffee without somebody tugging at them.

Deb:

Seriously, yeah, working moms can go to the bathroom and no one's like at the stall knocking on the door. You know.

Maggie:

Exactly, Exactly.

Maggie:

I mean it's nice to have that like break that mental break from these little little lovely people, yes, so yeah, I mean, I just found myself in the pandemic ordering wine to the door and, you know, just going through it much quicker than I wanted. And really what did it for me was my daughter at the time she must have been four or five you know picking up a bottle of wine and saying, are you going to drink this? Now, you know, and I'm going Ooh, she's four or five and she knows what wine is like. How am I being rated as a parent right now? How am I rating myself as a parent right now? And you know, these small little things start happening where you get this like little tap on your shoulder saying, hmm, maybe you should think about that a little bit differently, this like little tap on your shoulder saying, hmm, maybe you should think about that a little bit differently.

Maggie:

And one night I was bathing the kids upstairs, my husband was downstairs cooking I'm so lucky he cooks for me. He's enjoying the wine. I hear the wine bottle pop, you know, and I hear the jug, jug, jug, jug, jug into his glass. And I'm going I'm so mad right now that I'm here bathing the kids and he's downstairs enjoying a glass of wine. You better not drink my half and I'm going wait a second. That didn't feel good. What am I doing? That did not feel good. That's the first place my mind goes. Is he better not drink more than me? And why is he drinking and I'm not?

Maggie:

And so that kind of started this just exploratory journey of let me just look into this a bit more. And we are so lucky because we live in this day and age where there's so many resources, so once you start tapping into something, you kind of go through this rabbit hole of oh, there's 50 plus podcasts on this, there's, you know, memoirs and scientific books. And you know Instagram people, influencers that I can follow that are talking about not only what alcohol is and what I'm putting into my body, but how much fun it is to feel clear and, to you know, sleep better and have more energy. And so my journey really was not a journey of, okay, I'm going to do this and it worked. No, it was very much a up-down roller coaster of let me try, let me try again, let me keep trying. And you know, one day it stuck April.

Maggie:

It was after Easter. It was on Easter Sunday in April. I just decided that day that I was going to find an excuse not to drink instead of trying to find an excuse to drink, and so I did a hundred day challenge and that was all it was meant to be really and that 100-day challenge turned into two and a half years now.

Deb:

That is phenomenal. So that was what in 2021? Mm-hmm, that's right, that's amazing. So, instead of finding an excuse to drink, looking for an excuse not to drink.

Maggie:

Oh my gosh. My excuses to drink, deb, were a list of long like oh, it's raining outside. Oh, you know we're having Italian, I have to drink. You know we're having Italian, I have to drink. You know we're having Italian. Yes, it was whatever. Oh, the fireplace is on, let me pour myself a drink. It was, you know, the excuses were very long to drink and I needed to start finding excuses not to drink.

Deb:

So what were some of the excuses that you started telling yourself not to drink?

Maggie:

What were some of the things that you played in your mind or that you play in your mind now. So I binge listened to a lot of podcasts before I actually got the motivation to say, let me do this. So, listening to other people talk about one, how fun it is, because that fear of I'm going to be boring, what are other people going to think of me? To understanding the benefits from a, you know, health perspective. And then three, once I started experiencing those benefits, which a lot of them, didn't take very long. So sleep for me was really important and I, you know, very quickly found that if I wasn't drinking and the kids woke me up in the middle of the night, I could easily fall back asleep, whereas before either I was making myself up at 1am or 3am because I just, you know, I'd be up and then that was it I was up, or the kids would wake me up and I wouldn't be able to fall back asleep. So that was a big one for me.

Maggie:

And then the other really big one was the mental brain fog that I had, that I had attributed to being a mom. I was like I'm forever going to have this fog. This is just life. And when that lifted after a week or two, there were all these reasons not to go back. And so, yeah, it's almost giving yourself that permission to try and then really picking up on what you're seeing, what you're noticing, and holding on tight to those because they add up over time. And then it just makes it so easy to say why would I give all this up for that one glass of wine? It's just not worth it to me anymore and nor do I want it.

Deb:

Yeah, just start building momentum so you get to the end of your 100-day challenge. I love that. Doing 100 days, that feels so good. We get to triple digits. Yes, yes, it does Right. So in the beginning, were you thinking like, oh my gosh, I can't wait to drink again, like I can't wait till this challenge is over? Or were you feeling that way in the beginning? Like, were you like like for me? I was almost like counting down to my little challenge was over. Okay, I'm gonna be able to drink at the end of this month.

Maggie:

You know did you feel like the difference is when you give yourself those 30-day challenges, which I think are a great start, right, and I love the momentum of dry January and sober October but I don't think you're giving yourself enough time to really feel the benefits and to get that distance from alcohol. And so it's easier to count down the days in 30 days. Once you hit 30 days and then 60, you begin to count up, you're like, okay, how can I start stacking these days? And at 100 days, you know, my husband said so what are you going to do? I go, I'm going to do 100 more. I feel so amazing, I'm just going to keep going.

Maggie:

And at that time to say I'm doing a challenge was much easier to explain to people than if I said I'm alcohol free or I'm not drinking anymore, right. So I really use those that first year as an excuse to double down and say I'm doing this for myself and people aren't going to challenge me. Because who challenges you when you say you're doing something good for yourself a hundred days? They go. Good for you. You say I don't drink anymore, they go why Isn't that true?

Deb:

Right, when you tell people you're doing a challenge, they don't challenge you, ironically, right. But if you, exactly? But sometimes, if you say like, oh, I'm just not drinking right now, it's like why? Oh, you're pregnant, are you guys expecting having a fourth? You know, like what's happening. You get all these questions, you know, and it's like a challenge. At least you can just tell people. It does make it a little bit easier, yeah.

Maggie:

And give yourself enough time in that challenge really, because you really start seeing more of the benefits at that. The true benefits to me come at 90, 100 day period, right, and I think you can see a lot right away. But those benefits build over time and so you really have to give yourself enough time to feel them.

Deb:

Okay, some of you know that I accidentally stopped drinking when I did a challenge to take a month off from alcohol my BFF Chardonnay. And now I live an alcohol-free lifestyle and I absolutely love it. But I also realized that's not for everybody. Originally my goal was just to moderate. I wanted to learn how to moderate. So you might be thinking I would love to cut back a bit, but I am not ready to quit cold turkey, so you don't have to. I have a little tip for you. It's called Sunnyside. It's the number one alcohol moderation app in the United States and maybe it would be a fit for you if you're looking for no pressure, just support and tools to help you actually drink less. With Sunnyside, you set your own pace, track your drinks and connect with a community of people who get it. You pick a plan that fits your goals and the best part, 96% of people who use Sunnyside drink less after just 90 days. That's huge. So if you're ready to cut back your drinking without feeling overwhelmed, maybe give Sunnyside a shot. Visit the link in the show notes to get a free 15-day trial and check out Sunnyside for yourself.

Deb:

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Deb:

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Maggie:

hotel, so I was doing hotel marketing.

Deb:

Marketing. Okay, yes, okay. So yeah, you weren't thinking like I want to be a alcohol-free, I want to be a sober coach.

Maggie:

No, yeah, no, and even saying it now Doesn't roll right off your tongue yet. Well, I don't know if you feel this way, deb, but we live in a bubble. We're very much involved in this community and meeting people in space that oftentimes I feel like, oh, everybody knows about this. And then you step outside your bubble and it's still such a foreign idea to people to remove alcohol. It's not something that a lot of people are still considering or even thinking about. So you know, it is a kind of a foreign concept to have an alcohol-free coach, but I see it and Andy Ramage says this a lot in that free coach.

Maggie:

But I see it, and Andy Ramage says this a lot, in that you know, just like people hire a trainer at the gym to get fit down the road, we're going to need all these alcohol free coaches because people are going to hire them to help them remove alcohol. It's just where that movement's going, and so, no, I mean, I love helping people and you know, once you've been through something like this, it is so much easier to help people because you've been there, and so that feels really good, of like. I'm just not life coaching although a lot of it is life coaching right. Once you remove alcohol there's the world opens up to all these other things. But the alcohol free bit is like. I've been there. I know what those first two weeks are like, I know what day 60 is like, and so it becomes. I could put myself in their shoes and help them through that, and so that to me was so important of doing something that I've been through myself so I could help people even more.

Deb:

So good because especially I know you and I talked about this when we were recording for the Sober Summit that you feel like you're the only one I know. For years I thought I was the only one. So I'm looking back at three and a half years ago. If you were a sober coach or alcohol-free coach at the time, for me it was like magic meeting people who had also been struggling with their drinking. It was so meaningful to meet other people. So to have a an alcohol-free coach who can say I know exactly what that's like, I know what it's like to be bathing the kids and be thinking I would really like to have a drink right now. Or you know the situation you shared, you know your story. So thank you for sharing your story, maggie. Yeah, of course, so important. Okay, I'm super excited to.

Deb:

I want to switch gears. Talk about not switch gears, but switch over to talking about the Sober Summit, if you're good with that. Yes, this is my passion project. I love it. It's so fun Again. So we made a drink actually from my book, the Happiest Hour. You and I made a jammy jam mule. So fun, easy, little drink. So fun to make that together. So for anybody who's for everybody who's signing up? Sign up for the sober summit. You'll get to make a a recipe from the book, but okay. So how did this come about that you were like I want to host a virtual sober summit and bring together podcasters and authors and influencers. How'd this come about?

Maggie:

I never meant to do this. Really, I love it. That's how the best things happen. I am so outside my comfort zone doing this, but Good for you, it was one of those things.

Maggie:

So I've always been very big on health and fitness. My mom was really big in health and fitness. I followed in her footsteps and I had been attending a lot of health and fitness summits there's a lot of them out there and particularly I had started to attend two that were about quitting sugar, because what happens when you remove alcohol is oftentimes you start grabbing sugar, and I think it's really important at first to allow yourself to do that. But I took it to a new level and I was like, oh, chocolate cake every night is great, you know. So I started attending these summits and they were so helpful in that journey and I thought, oh, I'm going to go find the one on alcohol If there's two on sugar, I got to go find the one on living alcohol free and I couldn't find one. So I thought, oh, this is interesting. So I pitched the idea to a few podcasters and said, hey, you're already good at interviewing people, you can be the face of it. I'll said hey, you know, you're already good at interviewing people. You can be the face of it. I'll do the marketing, the website and the back end and let's partner on this. And I got a very polite no, thank you. What is a summit? You know they were very nice but, you know, maybe it's a US thing, I don't know. These were, these were British podcasters, but very polite decline. But if you do it will be speakers on it. And I thought what?

Maggie:

At this point, I hadn't even told social media that I was alcohol free and I'm going, I can't do this. I don't have a following, I I'm not anybody in this space and no one outside my personal circle really even knows I'm alcohol free. Like, what does this mean for me? And it's so funny because you oftentimes see so many people doing incredible things in sobriety, and you know writing a book, like, look at you, you're, you wrote a book, you're, you know you're a huge influencer, you've got a podcast, like what? Like you pinch me Right. And so you see people you know writing books, running marathons, quitting their job, becoming coaches, like all these things.

Maggie:

And I thought, ok, maybe this is the thing that I do, maybe this is my Mount Everest, maybe this is that thing that's so big, but what if I could do it? And so I just started asking people. And it's so funny when you ask people. Sometimes they say, yes, isn't that awesome? Yeah. And so people started saying yes and I go, oh my, I'm going to have to do this now. Like I had this date in my head and I started asking people and then when, like William Porter and Andy Ramage and Annie Grace started saying, yes, I'm going okay, I actually have to do this thing. And so we did the first one, april 2023. And it was amazing. We had over 5,000 people attend and I really thought, oh gosh, it's just going to be my mom and me sitting.

Deb:

And the speakers. Maybe they'll log in too.

Maggie:

And it was just incredible. You know, I didn't expect to have over 5000 people. I didn't expect to have as much feedback as I'd gotten of people I actually still today receive comments of hey, I just want to let you know I've been two years alcohol free because of you, you know, or a year I'm sorry a year alcohol free because of you, and gosh, that feels so good I just got chills, Maggie, when you said that Really it's so amazing, so amazing.

Deb:

That's incredible. That's incredible. It's the best feeling, isn't it? It's the best feeling to take what you experienced and to make such a difference in people's lives right now Incredible.

Maggie:

And it's so fun for me to be able to interview at that time I'm interviewing the authors and the podcasters that helped me on my sober journey. It's like, wow, I just read your book and now I get to actually talk to you one-on-one. That was incredible. So really me, as the host was so outside my comfort zone, but it actually, you know, I got to interview them as a reader, I got to interview them as a listener, I got to interview them as a client. So, yeah, so we just we're. We're now on our third one. We did another one last year for the holidays, completely centered around getting through the holidays. I shouldn't say getting through. I always say that you always say I know what you mean.

Deb:

I don't mean the holidays can have particular challenges. Yeah, that even for someone who's years sober, it can have, you know, different challenges than the other time of the year. So I know what you mean.

Maggie:

Yeah, yeah. So now we're launching our third one, so September 25th through 27th, and I'm so excited to have you and so many more incredible authors and podcasters, coaches, experts, influencers it's just, we have the CEO of Cut Above Spirits. I mean just, it's amazing, when everyone comes together, what we can do.

Deb:

It's so incredible. Okay, so what people will be able to do? They can register for free. They'll get access. What for 24 hours? Is that right Kind of how it works? So, 24 hours, or you can upgrade, get a. What is it? Is it called a VIP pass or an all access pass? All access pass Everyone wants to get the all access pass. You're going to it because then you get what like a year access to all the videos that you don't have to watch them, like specifically at that exact 24 hour period, right, yeah?

Maggie:

Yeah, so we have 24 speakers over three days, so we have eight interviews a day. They all go live at the same time and so if you're anywhere around the world, you get the same 24 hours as everybody else. It might just start at a different time, but, yeah, you get 24 hours to watch that day's eight videos and then the next day you'll lose access and you'll get you know day twos. And if you want extended access, you know we have the all access pass, and the cool thing about the all access pass is that the speakers throw in all these bonuses. So I don't have the tally right now, but we have some incredible bonuses so you get access to courses and workbooks and books and webinars and workshops and all sorts of amazing resources to have in your toolbox. All just part of that.

Deb:

It's huge. Yeah, yeah, I have. I think what I included for the All Access Pass is my little mocktail starter series. So it's like five, five different recipes that I made, kind of like get to come in the kitchen with me. You know virtually why make some, make some mocktails starter series. So it's like five different recipes that I made, kind of like you get to come in the kitchen with me, you know, virtually while I make some mocktails with you. So it was before the book came out, so they're not specific recipes from the book, but maybe I need to redo it and do some recipes from the book. But yes, I'm so excited for you.

Deb:

Maggie, thank you so much for having me be a part of the Sober Summit 2024. And just for all that you're doing, thank you for sharing your story and being vulnerable. It makes such a difference when we share our stories. It makes such a difference. Somebody who's listening today is like, oh my gosh, that was me last night giving the kids a bath and thinking I can't wait to have my wine or whatever. It means so much. It makes such a difference.

Maggie:

Oh, thank you.

Deb:

Yeah, yeah, super, super excited. Thank you for being my guest, thank you for putting on the sober summit. Cannot wait for everything to come out. We'll be posting about it, I'll be sharing about it in email and stuff, but thank you, thank you for everything that you're doing. And september 25th to 27th so what you said yes, and people can start registering uh september 9th.

Deb:

So okay, perfect. So, yep, when this podcast is up, yep, registration the doors. Uh, registration doors are open, I should say so, registration doors are open. So click the link in the in the show notes and we will see you all at the Sober Summit. Okay, lots of love. Talk to you guys later. Bye, big time cheers to you for tuning into the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast. I hope you will take something from today's episode and make one small change that will help you to thrive and have fun in life without alcohol. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post about it on social, send up a flare or leave a rating and a review. I am cheering for you as you discover the world of non-alcoholic drinks and as you journey towards authentic freedom. See you in the next episode.