Thriving Alcohol-Free with Mocktail Mom

Ep 119 | Breaking Up with Alcohol: Kate Denaj Shares Her Inspiring Journey to Sobriety

• Deb, Mocktail Mom • Season 1 • Episode 119

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Join Deb from "Thriving Alcohol Free with Mocktail Mom" as she welcomes Kate Denaj, the inspiring force behind Clarity Zero Proof.

In this engaging episode, Kate shares her transformative journey to sobriety, highlighting the challenges and triumphs of living alcohol-free. From her early days in a resort town to becoming a passionate advocate for non-alcoholic beverages, Kate's story is a testament to resilience and empowerment. Discover how she navigated personal struggles, embraced sobriety, and now helps others find joy in an alcohol-free lifestyle.

Kate's journey is filled with insightful moments, including her experiences with the Mocktail Summit and her work with emerging non-alcoholic brands. She candidly discusses the societal pressures of drinking, the emotional challenges of grief, and the empowering realization that sobriety can be a superpower. Whether you're curious about the alcohol-free movement or seeking inspiration for your journey, this episode offers valuable insights and encouragement.

Don't miss Kate's tips on navigating social situations without alcohol, her favorite non-alcoholic drinks, and her vision for the future of Clarity Zero Proof. Tune in to learn how you can embrace a fulfilling, alcohol-free life and support the growing community of sober enthusiasts. Subscribe now for more inspiring stories and practical advice on thriving without alcohol.

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Speaker 1:

Okay, hey friends, it's Deb. Welcome back to Thriving Alcohol-Free. How are you? I am so excited. Today we have Kate Denae of Clarity Zero Proof is her Instagram. If you're not following her, please follow along. Clarity Zero Proof and Kate, how are you?

Speaker 2:

I am well, deb. It's so awesome to meet you face to face. I've just been a huge fangirl for so long. I've adored everything that you do. I love the mocktail summit, oh good. I'm such a huge fan. You're so OG. Thank you, and thank you so much. And I've never been on a podcast, so I am a virgin.

Speaker 1:

Okay, oh, I'm so glad. Okay, yes, I think there's several guests we've had in that it's their first podcast. This is so fun. I'm so glad we get to do this together. Same, it's so nice to meet you. I love your account. I love just you know. I want to hear your story of breaking up with alcohol. Thank you for the kind, kind words that you shared with me. I really appreciate it. It was wonderful to have you at the Mocktail Summit, to be there two years in a row back to back, for the original one and for this year we had our second one. We'll have another one again in 2026, because the fun's not over and there are good things to drink. So for you to share your journey becoming alcohol free, your sobriety journey and what you're doing in this space, because you have a lot going on with different brands and I just think it's really incredible what you're doing lot going on with different brands and I just think it's really incredible what you're doing.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much. What a sweet intro. Yeah, so I, probably in 2016, was when I was kind of thinking, like you know, this relationship with alcohol isn't really serving me anymore, isn't really serving me anymore.

Speaker 1:

I was living out in.

Speaker 2:

SoCal, in a town that is very, very resort-like, and married to someone who was taking full advantage of the lifestyle of a resorty town. And this was a person who probably was drinking far too much and didn't really recognize that I was pretty much a lightweight and, you know, I would go out to dinner with him and he would have many drinks and I would sort of just be drinking just to keep along. You know, and I just remember my boys were, you know, young teens and they'd be like mom, like when you drink wine, like you don't seem like yourself, like you don't seem the same, and I was like that was horrifying to hear that from your kids, you know. But you know that's just what everyone was doing, so I would go along with it and, um, oftentimes just drink when I was just trying to cope with a marriage that was wasn't awesome. Um, and then I was, I did, I think, but the first time I really stopped drinking was during Lent, so it's, you know, 40 plus days, and I did it and I was like so proud of myself, I'm like holy cow, I feel so awesome, you know, wow, and I really didn't want to go back to drinking, but it was like then it was my birthday and then it was mother's day, you know, and then you just kind of get back into it.

Speaker 2:

It was summer and I'd meet friends that came in from college to visit and so I just I kind of would like go in and out, but then I think it was like sober October, and this was before. It was like a thing, but I remember it in my head. I'm like I might try this for sober October. And again I was like this isn't that hard for me. I mean, it was hard in the fact that there was nothing to drink up at that time, like there was O'Doul's back in 2006. I was going to say there was O'Doul's and you had Shirley Temple's. Those were your options.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, those were your options.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, totally. And I was not interested in the Shirley Temple thing and water was so boring and tea I mean. We know all this how it was so lame at first, right. So I did it again, you know for Sober October. And then I was like, what can I do to try to like keep this going? Because in my mind it was easier when I had like a month challenge, like I was, I could be like, okay, I'm on a streak, I'm going to do this. But then when it was, I was done with that. I was like, well, you know, I'm at, I'm out to dinner, my favorite restaurant, and oh, there's Rambauer and I love Rambauer Chardonnay or whatever it was. Um, and you were a Chardonnay girl too, right, yes, I was yeah, Very much so.

Speaker 2:

Yes, totally, and I'll tell you this joke. So my last name is Denae and when we were expecting, I was like, oh my God, I could never I have a girl. I could never name her Charlotte, because her nickname would be Chardonnay and name would be Chardonnay and it would be like the drunk mom. So, yeah, so anyway, I was like what can I do to try to keep this going? And back then there were no coaches, there were no programs, there were barely books. So I was doing all this research and I came across I don't know if you've heard of this, Deb, but there was this Australian site called Hello Sunday Morning. Do you remember that?

Speaker 2:

I don't think so I don't think I've heard of it. It was like the only thing available that I could find and it was all these people in Australia, because they're like we drink too much in Australia. We want to stop. And there were a lot of Americans who were on it and it was like a blog or not a blog, it was like a discussion board, okay. And I was like, oh my gosh, there's people, there are people who are like me, you know, who don't want to do this, and they were giving tips about like what could you drink and what can you do, and all this stuff. And I remember there was someone on there who was like hey guys, I'm writing a book and I would love if you could read my manuscript. And I was like I'll do it. And a bunch of people read it, and it was Annie Grapes.

Speaker 1:

No, who wrote this Naked Mind. So you read like the pre-published edition of this Naked mind, really, and it blew my mind.

Speaker 2:

I was like, oh my God, and it really hit me and I was like there is a thing, like she made the whole case for spontaneous sobriety and in your mind did you read it? Yes, so it like brainwashes you basically to thinking like it's poisonous and toxic and now we know all the science about it. But she was really writing this before it was known Yep, and the marketing behind it. And I was pissed because I was in marketing my entire career, marketing research, and I was like I don't know. I was just thinking like this is so much like tobacco, like we, you know, no one knew this and now we should know better and we know that we're being scammed, and like I was so pissed and so I would tell everyone I'm like you've got to look for this book when it's published, like it's so great and um, and then it, you know, it took me, it took me a while and I would, I would go on streaks and then I'd be like hey, I'm going to, you know, have some wine again, and then I'd go back into like my.

Speaker 2:

I was never like over the top. I got to just where it was like not healthy and I didn't feel great, you know, but it wasn't like a dangerous situation, but it was enough to make me not feel good. It was enough to make me not sleep. Well, have you know, have anxiety and depression and have my kids notice and brain fog and all of that. So then, in 2021, so it's been Okay.

Speaker 1:

Four years or so.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Then I decided, okay, I'm just done, I'm just going to not do it again, and so I haven't. So it's been was it 2020? It was the end of it's, just about 2022. So it's been over three years, wow, wow, not a drop, and it's been amazing and I love um.

Speaker 2:

I just knowing, like all of that, knowing how life changing it can be and how, if you just take little steps and try it, that I want everyone to try it. Like I've just wanted to evangelize it like to the world, um, and like I've had I've helped a couple of friends, just, you know, casually, not like in a program or a coach I'm not a coach, but yeah, but you know, like you can suggest what you can do. Yep, yep, yeah. Like I tell them what books to read, I tell them have mocktails on on hand, have things in your fridge. Like, follow these people. Like I created my, my little Instagram account just so I could follow you know anything sober? So I had my regular one and I created this one. It was called AFAF living. Okay, so, um, and then I changed the name to clear clarity's airproof lounge lounge, when I was thinking I wanted to actually open something. So, okay, yeah, so.

Speaker 2:

So that's sort of like how it all started and then I was thinking I wanted to actually open something, so okay, yeah, so, so that's sort of like how it all started. And then I started thinking like, okay, what can I do? So do you want me to explain a little bit about that?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure, yes, I would love love for you to share, okay.

Speaker 2:

So, um, I was like just super excited to share as much as I could. And I was thinking like, well, what can I do? I want to get these drinks into people's hands, I want them to try things that worked for me. And back then there still wasn't a lot of stuff, but I think it was around when ritual had just come out and there were some wines. Know, there were some wines, you know, mostly sparkling at the time, really, no, still wines but and then beer was better. And so I, um, I met this person in my town, uh, who had a connection with this beer brand, and we were we were talking, we're like, what can we do, what can we do? And we're like and we were, we were talking, we're like what can we do, what can we do? And we're like, let's help these little brands get more distribution, you know. So, um, I like worked with him and we created this, this little company. That didn't last very long because he got scooped up by the beer brand and he went and worked with them, but but our idea was like, let's work with small brands that we can help get into California. So we worked with, like, um, uh, all the bitter and amethyst and Prima Fave and um, a few others I can't even remember now. Okay and um, we were like we're going to help you get distributed.

Speaker 2:

And that didn't last very long, but it got me connected with some really cool brands and it just got me really excited about like, okay, well, what else can I do? And I took the class, the Sands Bar Academy oh yeah, great, some really great people there. And then when you graduate, you have to, or you get to, put on a pop-up event of some sort, okay, and so I had a launch party and it was so fun and actually Ian Blessing helped me create my menu and he came out and he bartended oh wow, it was amazing. And my drinks were so great and my friends were just blown away with like how delicious everything was. And then I'm like that's so cool. It's so awesome to see the reaction of people when they can taste something and they go I would drink this.

Speaker 2:

Like well, where can I get this? How do I get this? And so it was like I had this thing, like okay, how do I get it in people's hands? How do I get it in restaurants and bars? How do I, you know, get people? And I was like, what do I do? What do I, you know? So I thought, all right, I'll just keep doing pop-ups. Like I did a ton. I did probably 10 pop-ups in a year. And then I, and then I was excited about, uh, maybe like I, what I wanted to do was get a little VW bus and like retrofit it and then drive around the coast and, um, like, just have it be a little pop-ups, you know.

Speaker 2:

Sober, bar that I would take to festivals and, you know, get hired by baby, you know, for baby showers or whatever it was, um.

Speaker 2:

So that didn't happen, but that was an idea, um, and then I um, I just like became uh, friends with, had some relationships with some brands, and it was really because they were brands that I loved and I would just say, can I please like help people taste these, you know? So I would always feature them in my events. And then, prima Pave, I just loved it so, so, so much that I was like, can I work for you somehow? Like can I do something? And they were like, yeah, actually you can. So I like officially went to work and did like a little part-time work with them, and I've slowly been doing more and more work with them over the last two years, and now I'm helping them to expand in other, you know, some kind of fun ways, because I just think they're so authentic and delicious and they're they're just it's beautiful. I think it's like a such a lovely, it's beautiful packaging, it's not super expensive, it's, but it still feels very premium, it tastes very premium and yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1:

Have you? Have you tried it? It is, yes, it's delicious Non-alcoholic wine, so good. Yeah, and it's female, founded right the company yes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so it's. It's a husband and wife team. They're both Italian and um when, and they they host um one of their um. They have other companies besides Prima Pave, but they do all this really lovely sort of luxury travel, wine and food, and, you know, travel around Europe for their other endeavors and they're certified wine specialists Amazing and kind of know wine really well.

Speaker 2:

And when, um the uh, when the own co-owner, dejo, was expecting their first baby um, this was before COVID she was like there's nothing good out here, there's not, there's nothing good. And so they spent months and months and months during COVID to like work with um you know folks in Europe to find like where are the best grapes, who's the best partners? Like how's the best de-alkalization process that we can find? And they ended up making their own and and then they the brand was born right around the same time as their son. Oh my gosh, yeah, um. So I just love stories like that, where it's like it's authentic and real and they're not owned by a major corporation. I mean, great, some are, that's fine, but like I don't know, I just I love those little stories and like like all the bitter, carly and Ian, you know it's just them which is so amazing.

Speaker 1:

And they are growing so much.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

I think when we recorded, when I recorded with Ian for the Mocktail Summit, they had just sent out their hundredth hundred thousandth bottle, or something like that at the time. So I'm sure we're on. I'm sure we're on a quarter of a million at this point.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I'm sure. And how many dinosaurs do you think that?

Speaker 1:

is I know. Yes, exactly A lot more dinosaurs, for sure. Isn't that crazy yeah?

Speaker 2:

Yes, I know, I know yeah.

Speaker 1:

So to be able to work with these smaller brands and help them get attention and do events for them. So you're doing events right now for these brands kind of brands- so I moved to Madison.

Speaker 2:

I'll just explain a little bit. After leaving California, moved to Madison, my mother passed.

Speaker 1:

Sorry.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. Came back to the Midwest, where I was originally from.

Speaker 1:

Okay, and.

Speaker 2:

I was like, okay, what do I do? Well, I was working remotely still for Prima and then I found in my town actually, there is a non-alcoholic bottle shop. So I worked for about three months there just to see what it was like. Yep, Because that was a dream of mine to have, you know, my own little lounge, Clarity's.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, how did you enjoy that? How did you enjoy working there?

Speaker 2:

Oh, I loved it. It was um I, I. You know, one of my my joys in life is having people taste a non-alcoholic beverage and give feedback and and see like the look in their eyes and see like the wheels turning and have them go. I can't believe this is alcohol free and I would. I loved when they would come in the door like deer in a headlights, like.

Speaker 1:

I don't know what this is. I don't know what to expect. I don't know what I'm walking into.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and they would. They would be really honest and they're like I I've seen this shop Like, and they would be really honest and they're like I've seen this shop. Can you help me understand? And I was like I've got you girl and I would just explain here's basically all the category and here's my favorites, and I would let them taste and sample. And they were like are you kidding me?

Speaker 2:

This could be part of my life? Yes, it could, and they just got. You could see that they just felt so much more empowered and so much more comfortable, cause it's a little bit embarrassing for some folks or they feel a little ashamed or they don't want to admit it. You know that, that maybe they're drinking too much and they want to shift gears.

Speaker 1:

Exactly right, you're exactly right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I wanted to make it like as warm and welcoming as possible and give education, because they'd be like what's this functional thing, Like what are all these ingredients? I'm like, okay, let's break it down. They'd explain all of that and, um, have them taste. And so that was such a joy in my life.

Speaker 1:

I loved it so much so how was it moving from California to Wisconsin? Being sober I mean a lot of life changes. I know I've lost both of my parents. I'm so sorry about your mom, to go through grief sober is a challenge. Yes, to go through grief is a challenge period, but to not numb out. How has that journey been for you?

Speaker 2:

It's been hard. It's been really hard and I've had to just really try to keep busy, because I think I think that is something that you don't really realize when you first stop drinking is how much freaking time you have on your yeah, yeah, it's true um, so I was doing a lot of things to help my brother, to help like my mom's house, and you know, things like that, yeah, yeah um, I have a little thrift, a little vintage thrift store, antique store, from taking things from my mom's house that I thought would be nice for other people to have.

Speaker 2:

So I've focused on that as well as this other work that I'm doing. But yeah, I don't know a ton of people here in this town and so it's like what do you do when it's seven o'clock and you are by yourself? I'm not dating anyone right now and you're bored, and typically in the past you might have poured yourself a glass of sorbet.

Speaker 1:

Sure or two.

Speaker 2:

Or yes or more, and so, um, it has been, yeah, it's just been like, okay, I'm going to read, I'm going to. I'll sometimes do too much doom scrolling or whatever on Instagram or what you know Um and um, but I'll, you know, I'll try to like, do a little yoga-ish. I don't, I don't practice anything like perfectly, but I'll just do some stretching or moving or whatever. Or just you know, netflix or whatnot. And there are some shows that I've loved, that like, like, for example, the Lincoln that, uh, the main character is a non-drinker. So it's been cool to kind of see somebody who is like us you know, yeah, amazing, but a lot of TV.

Speaker 2:

I have to say, all they do is drink which is annoying.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, yeah, it's everywhere it's. It's pushed all over right. It's marketed to us in TV shows, movies, right, walk in target. It's everywhere. It's pushed all over right. It's marketed to us in TV shows, movies, right, walk in Target. It's at the end cap. You know, I know it's everywhere, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

How do? You feel like you're following your passions now, at this stage in your life just trying to figure out how I can still connect with people as they are deciding. Maybe I want to drink less, so that's why I love doing tastings. Prima, we do a lot of tastings and it's super fun and people don't always even realize that it's non-'s not alcoholic.

Speaker 1:

Isn't that amazing? Don't you love that when you think like you could put this in front of a restaurant? And wouldn't even know there's no alcohol in it. That's incredible.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we did that at an event. We were at Chef Con in LA. It was like for all these chefs and people in the restaurant industry and we had a table. It was this really beautiful arrangement with flowers and it looked really pretty and people just grabbed their glass and walked away and then we were introduced by the host of the event and all these people came running back to our table because they learned we were alcohol-free Incredible and they were like, are you?

Speaker 2:

serious Wow, yeah, and it is because it's 0.0. It's fully safe for everyone, so that's really cool.

Speaker 2:

Okay, so I love doing tastings. I don't know. I'm figuring out what the next step is going to be. Um, I, I was, you know, again toying with the idea of, like, do I have my own place? Do I have like a little lounge? Do I? Do I get a little mobile, um, a mobile cart or something? And, uh, that's still kind of in the back of my mind.

Speaker 2:

But I think that working with brands is really satisfying too, because when I worked in market research my whole career for 26 years, you would work with like individual brands and then you'd move on. You do a project and you'd move on, you'd move on. You never really got to grow the brand from ground up, and so these brands that we know of in this space are still so new and you get to kind of be part of that and shape that, and I think that's really exciting. And I've been in Consumer Insights for all that time too and, like I just did a, I helped Prima with a consumer insights project, um, to understand, like the female uh, you know, sparkling wine enthusiasts who is interested in maybe drinking less. So that was really cool, that's. That's been a little bit of a side passion, um, so that's awesome, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:

If somebody asked you what are your favorites, um, what would you tell them if they're just getting started on their alcohol-free journey or their, you know, on their journey to try alcohol-free options?

Speaker 2:

I usually well, cause people always ask. So I usually say well, what do you like, what do you really like, you know? And so then, if they're like oh. I really love. I usually say, well, what do you like, what do you really like, you know? And so then, if they're like, oh, I really love, you know a gin and tonic, I'd say Monday gin.

Speaker 2:

And tonic, okay, monday was my fave. And then, you know I, if they said, oh, I'd really love a margarita, I'd say, well, my favorite is a ritual margarita, okay, you know. Or if they'd say I want something that kind of calms me down I think Droma Calm.

Speaker 1:

So good, so freaking good, it's really good, and you can drink it just over ice.

Speaker 2:

I mean, it doesn't even need to be in anything else.

Speaker 1:

It's so good yeah.

Speaker 2:

Oh, and you don't even need ice.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's true, you can drink it straight out of the bottle. Put a paper bag around it and just drink. Yes, no, two ounces of that and you're like I feel so calm.

Speaker 2:

The name is true. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, okay, so that's one of your favorites.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a fave, amethyst I love blueberry, ginger, mint.

Speaker 2:

I love lemon, cucumber, serrano. I think it's kind of like what your mood and what your taste buds like Anything with a shot of all the bitter. Sometimes I'll just put a little dropper of the cherry or the New Orleans under my tongue. I love the lavender. I love, well, of course, prima. I love Prima, pave, I love their little mini bottles. They're just adorable. Amazing. Rationale beer is really great. That's more West Coast-y. Okay, what else I love? A good Guinness.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it's so good and.

Speaker 2:

I've heard that it's like what did I hear Did I hear this correctly that it has surpassed their regular Guinness sales or something that?

Speaker 1:

I haven't heard. Maybe that's wrong.

Speaker 2:

Maybe that's wrong, maybe it's the growth, the percent growth.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that could easily be. Yeah, that could easily be. Yeah, the industry is just booming. Well, I'm really excited to see where everything leads for you. You know where it keeps unfolding and I love that.

Speaker 1:

I feel like we're meeting right now, at a point in your life where things are continuing to unfold you know what I mean when it's not like. This is exactly what I'm doing right now, and this is like this grand plan, and that's encouraging because many of us are at a place in life where it's like what's next? You know, transitioning from another state, life changes and it's a challenge. It's not a one day turn.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and to your point, like you don't know how your life will turn on a dime. When my mom died, I was in California. I was not expecting that I'd be in Wisconsin right now and Wisconsin has been named the drunkest state. So I was like at first I thought, oh my gosh, this is not going to be good. This is not going to be good for me because there's going to be nowhere I can get anything, not true? But also I thought maybe this is where I need to be to help people, because the drunk estate means there's a lot of people who want to be undrunk, potentially.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, true.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, you just never know, and I think, just living each life or each day with like knowing that you can kind of if you've gone through the journey where you are alcohol free, knowing that that has been such a huge accomplishment, kind of keeping that in your mind, like you can kind of do anything, you're kind of a badass, I agree.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it becomes your superpower.

Speaker 2:

It is a superpower.

Speaker 1:

It really is. It really is and it does give you confidence. Like you know what I could do, that this is a big challenge, whether it's turning a VW into a mocktail bar, you know, whatever it is that you're going to be doing, it's like you can do it If you can stay sober for three plus years and go through, walk through really hard times.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and I don't think I would have been able to survive a divorce. And then we had to move. And then I was, I met someone else, I was engaged and then he died. And then, yeah, like a lot, a lot, you know, and found out um, a lot of crazy things um, about my ex and just like my go-to would have been just have some chardonnay and knowing that like, okay, like I, okay, like I was given a really huge challenge and I was able to face it and I had, you know, two boys who were young adults and and help get them to where they needed to be, and you know, then my mom died and move across the country.

Speaker 2:

And it's like taking those little things that you've accomplished and just tucking them away and going like, okay, I can keep going, I can keep moving and really nothing can kind of stop me. You can do anything and just take your past experiences and your past challenges and your accomplishments of those challenges as like fuel for moving forward and knowing that you can accomplish it all and doing it with gratitude, as hard as it can be sometimes, but just being like I'm so grateful that I can sleep well now and then I can wake up without a hangover. Those little tiny things really matter.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, with a grateful heart makes all the difference, right, we have so much to be grateful for, even with all the challenges, right, that we've gone through so much to be grateful for, I think like, okay, I'm breathing, I'm breathing, I'm not on a lung machine, you know like there's people that are just struggling just to live, you know. So, so, so grateful for so much, even though there's really hard things that we've walked through, you've walked through. So thank you for sharing your story.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for being here today, really.

Speaker 1:

What's next for you, deb? Next for me? Well, my youngest. I have two girls, my older daughter's married. She got married last May, so we had a sober wedding. That was really fun.

Speaker 2:

Oh my God, yeah, it was awesome, it was so awesome.

Speaker 1:

And then my younger daughter, who is going to go to college in August, and so I'm going to be an empty nester. So a little bit of an identity crisis I don't know if identity crisis, that's not the right word, I don't know Just a little bit of like, what is the day-to-day going to look like at home? It's going to be so different. So my husband and I think are going to be grieving when she leaves. We're going to really miss her. So, because we've had her home by herself for like six years now, since Hannah, since my older daughter's been gone from college, so it'll be big changes over here.

Speaker 2:

You have a solid foundation, though. You'll get through it.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, for sure, for sure. So thank you, though. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm so glad to meet you. Thank you for all of your encouragement. You've been such a support to me. I appreciate it so much and I'm so glad. Make sure everybody's following you At Clarity Zero Proof is your Instagram handle Kate Denae. Like Chardonnay minus the Charda, yes, that's how you can remember it. Yes, and your website is clarityloungecom, if anybody wants to check out your website. So thank you. Thank you, my friend. This was so much fun, thank you.